Glossary citation forms - how do they affect markup?

Question

I have three (possibly very basic) questions about glossary citation forms and markup:

1. In the Biblical Terms tool Glossary tab, if the citation form has a star (e.g. *demeŋ asləva), will Paratext find instances such as mədemeŋ asləva or tədemeŋ asləva when the text is marked up for the glossary?

2. If so, could the citation form in the glossary tab remain unchanged (*demeŋ asləva) while at the same time the citation form in the GLO book could be edited to (e.g.) mədemeŋ asləva ?

3. During markup, will Paratext only find instances of the citation form in verses listed under that biblical term? E.g., the term ‘temple’ is the translation both of ναός-1 and of ἱερόν. If the glossary definition is entered only under ναός-1, will occurrences of the same citation form text in verses listed under ἱερόν (or indeed in any verse) also be marked ?

Answer 1

anon913612,

There is another post that deals with this topic of linking glossaries. See if this video helps.

Multiple Jacobs or Herods in the Glossary Questions

Linking words to the Glossary and then marking them in Paratext is a pretty straight forward processes that does contain some possible issues. Here is a Quick Tip video on how to link a Glossary entry:

One thing to keep in mind is that the “Renderings” can be any variety of text and may include * before or after words. The “Citation” form on the Glossary tab is the form that will be shown in the \k …\k* markers in the GLO book.So in your example, the “Citation” form on the Glossary tab should be “mədemeŋ asləva”.

When you use the Biblical Terms tool to markup terms it will only mark the terms that you have selected - so even if a term occurs in a different verse, it will not be marked. The markup for one of your examples might look like this: \w tədemeŋ asləva|mədemeŋ asləva\w* . The rendering finds the tədemeŋ asləva, but since the “Citation form” is “mədemeŋ asləva” it adds this with the | separating.

If you still have questions you can ask again.

Comments

Thanks for the distinction between rendering and citation form. If I understand you correctly then when the glossary is marked up it will only mark the term in the verses listed for that specific term, where it finds the correct rendering for that term. Is this correct?

If so, I still do not understand how to link other biblical terms to this term so that they too will be marked up where the rendering is identical (as in the two quite separate terms which share the rendering and meaning ‘temple’). These need to be referenced (marked up in the text) by one single glossary entry with the same citation form.

What I am missing here is a dummies’ guide to setting up glossary entries so that they will cross-link where needed, given that the Paratext biblical terms tool contains many ‘duplicate’ entries based on source language lexemes where the target language will use only one term which needs to be defined by the same glossary text.

The video kind of answers the multiple Herod question (which I also need to know about), but it misses out the first step in the process: you seem to be setting up a main glossary entry and sub-entries, then linking the sub-entries to specific terms. It looks to me as if this editing is done in the GLO book itself. Correct? It moves too rapidly for someone learning the process to see the necessary steps for setting up such a multiple glossary entry.

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Here is a QuickTip video on how to link multiple biblical terms to the same glossary entry. Hope this helps.

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Many thanks. You have (I think) solved all my problems except this:

How do you arrive at the starting screen in the ‘Multiple Herod’ video? There is no reference to the \li2 marker in any of the USFM literature. How were those \li2 sub-entries created ?

Also, was the paragraph heading above the sub-entries edited in by hand in the GLO book?

Thanks if you could answer those questions, too.

Every blessing,

anon913612

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anon913612,

The \li2 formatting was added to the GLO. By default, Paratext only adds the \p and \k…k* markers to a glossary entry when you are creating words through the Biblical Terms tool. My recommendation is that you don’t add the extra formatting until you have finished adding terms because every time you add a term from the Biblical Terms tool Paratext will put the \p marker at the beginning. It is better to get your terms in place and then you can add the additional formatting for things like secondary entries and headings.

Having said all of that, we have already shown how you can link a term in the Biblical Terms to a term that was created in the GLO book. So, if you have formatted a Glossary you can link those terms - you just have to be aware that the markers will change to \p for that term when you do the link. You can change it back to something else, but it will save you time if you do all the linking and then change at the end.

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Thanks.

So what your Herod video is about is creating a manual entry in GLO, and then linking it to biblical terms. Now I think I understand. I assume it would also be possible to edit the glossary in the biblical terms tool, and then edit the makers in GLO, assuming all entries keep together alphabetically (as in John or Herod).

One further question: is there any way of sorting the \li2 subentries, or does this depend absolutely on the alphabetical order of the citation forms? In the case of those Herods, it would be important to have Herod the Great at the head of the list above Herod Antipas, and Herod Antipas above Herod Agrippa. This is the opposite of alphabetical order, though. Would I be forced to list them as ‘1. Herod the Great’…. etc. Or wouldn’t even that work?

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anon913612:

One further question: is there any way of sorting the \li2 subentries, or does this depend absolutely on the alphabetical order of the citation forms?

Sort order is handled automatically according to the language settings when you link a term. However, if you are no longer working in the Biblical Terms tool, you can manually edit and reorder things in the GLO. Just be aware that if you go back to the Biblical Terms and make edits there that the terms may reorder again - so do you manual sorting last.

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Many thanks for all your help.

anon913612

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Sorry, I still have one question.

The term ‘angel’ also means ‘messenger’. Each of these equivalents of the same underlying Greek lexeme has a separate rendering listed under the same biblical term. If ‘angel’ is included in the glossary, with the citation form ‘angel’, will the glossary also mark up instances of the underlying Greek lexeme where the sense is ‘messenger’ and not ‘angel’ ? This is of course not desired.

If so, how can this be avoided, except by creating a separate biblical term uniquely for ‘angel’ ?

Thanks if you can advise,

anon913612

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There are a couple of ways to avoid having Paratext mark both “angel” and “messenger” when you have it mark the term for ἄγγελος

1. Don’t mark messenger as a valid rendering (at the time when you are doing the markup). This way when Paratext marks the terms it will not find messenger to mark it. This would be my preference.
2. Create a new term for just angel and only include those verses that you want to mark.
3. Manually add the \w…\w* to the words that you want to mark - this may be the most problematic if you don’t get the entry correct it might not link to the glossary correctly.

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Thanks again for your help.

All the suggestions (except the first, which kind of defeats the purpose of the tool) of course require extra work, theoretically in every project that wants to use the tool to make a glossary.

The source of the problem is the (mistaken?) idea that biblical terms can be handled using lexemes in the source languages, rather than semantic items (which occasionally contain more than one lexeme, while occasionally one lexeme can refer to several semantic items).

There are in fact several instances of this kind of thing where one lexeme used as a biblical term has a wide and specific sense (to name but the ones I’ve been working on today):

angel

church

gratitude

A separate comment on this general subject: I have tried to make life easier for the translators by editing some false French glosses in certain terms at project level, but the glosses in question refuse to be edited. Specifically:

‘Monde des morts’ is incorrect as a gloss of ἄβυσσος. The correct gloss would be ‘abîme’ or ‘gros trou sous la terre’.

‘diable’ is an incorrect gloss of διάβολος-2, which is entirely used as an adjective. ‘diable’ is the correct gloss of διάβολος-1.

This would not be a problem if the terms in question were editable, but for some reason they’re not.

Is there any ongoing plan to tidy up the biblical terms database? If so, are those concerned aware of these specific items?

Every blessing,

anon913612

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anon913612,

I agree that ultimately you want to include “messenger” as a gloss for the term. However, at the point where you want to mark the word “angel” as linked to the glossary, you simply remove “messenger” as a rendering. Use the tool to mark the occurrences of “angel” and then add “messenger” back as a rendering.

You can only edit terms that are found in the project Biblical terms list (these are words marked with the gold star). You must:

1. Add terms to the project Biblical terms (by clicking and making the star gold)
2. Select the project Biblical terms list as the list being worked on
3. Now you should be able to edit the terms

If you “associate” the project list under the project settings then every time you (or the team) open the Biblical terms list they will see these terms. Just be careful not to click the star and remove a term from the list.

Answer 2

Here is a video showing how to keep the sort order of a glossary after linking terms to the Biblical Terms tool.