一个好的术语表是许多初次接触圣经的孤立读者理解经文的关键。
谢谢大家。我很高兴看到这个帖子,里面充满了“我也是”的担忧,并且已经有很多好的建议。
我原本计划写一些关于操作方法的问题,可能还有一些功能请求,但这发生得太早了几天。
各位好,这些关于术语表结构的问题确实非常重要。为什么?
请考虑那些非公开的项目,它们很少在论坛上拥有发言人。典型的现代读者可能来自其他宗教。他或她可能在 Play Store 上发现了一个圣经应用,并作为探索者第一次阅读。
因此,我们需要一个完整且用户友好的术语表:
PT8 已经拥有出色的工具和坚实的结构,即章节、经文和交叉引用。但术语表并没有正确使用这些,一些其他用户尝试了使用章节和经文的变通方法。
我自己尝试创建章节时遇到了错误消息:章节只能包含数字。为什么?如果你们解除这个限制(请),我们就可以使用最坚实的结构“章节”,并将它们分配给我们字母表中的字母。这里有一个很大的危险:如果允许这个想法,其他用户可能会将 LUK 章节称为“5”,LUK 章节称为“five”。这将非常糟糕。我不知道为什么,但可能很糟糕,它可能会破坏导航工具。因此,将需要另一个检查工具,用于检查“所有非术语表书籍中的非法章节号”。
为什么我们需要紧急地在术语表条目之间建立链接:
我们的语法在词首位置有名词的类别标记。因此,一个条目的单数和复数相距甚远:S_priest 不在 P_priest 旁边。
我们编写术语表的方式是,每个“需要解释的词”在文本中最典型的译法是我们术语表的关键术语。因此,例如读者最常以复数形式遇到“pharisees”,所以我们的描述列在“P_pharisee”下。但一些读者可能会手动转到“S_pharisee”,然后我们需要一个链接。因为我们的类别系统非常丰富,即使是母语使用者也无法从单数判断复数是如何形成的,有几种选项。到目前为止,我只是写一个特殊的箭头符号和我要引用的其他术语表术语,用户必须自己导航以找到主要条目。
因此,章节(针对每个字母甚至字母组合)将非常有帮助。并且每个术语表条目都可以具有经文的地位。这样交叉引用和链接就成为可能。在 PT8 上进行变通操作从未感觉完全安全。所以我恳请开发人员考虑这一点并正式实现它。
我们的术语表正在变大。20 页印刷页的限制不适用于我们的阅读应用。我们还需要帮助来导航我们的术语表以进行日常工作,仅仅上下滚动就花费了永远的时间。使用现有的章节和经文结构的另一个原因,因为对于这些,我们在每个 PT8 窗口顶部都有稳定的导航工具,一些用户也知道他们的键盘快捷键。
我们需要的另一个功能是一种方法来跟踪每个术语表条目的工作后续。我想你们称之为项目进度。请考虑我们的工作方式:
我们不会在特定的日子坐下来说“让我们为字母 K 制作所有术语表条目。”我们更倾向于翻译正文,并在每个章节之后,当我们仍然手头有研究和笔记时,选择所有那些在翻译和/或与他人一起检查和阅读时造成问题的词。然后我们编写那些术语表条目。由于是早期阶段,我们通常每章文本有五到十个条目,并且随着我们更经常可以说“我们已经做过那个了”,它正在慢慢减少。
因此,术语表条目应该具有某种虚拟批次号或虚拟管理章节,用于应用项目进度和检查工具。由于我们没有按字母顺序编写,并且新条目不断被添加,目前没有任何东西可以跟踪。如果很快没有进展,我将需要创建另一个私有标记,并发明一个状态行,基于我们经过验证的项目进度工具中的“阶段”和“任务”,但应用于单个术语表条目。
术语表不是圣经,但对于任何新读者来说都是非常重要的关键,允许访问和理解正文。你会惊讶于在我们世界的一部分有多少“基本”术语是未知的。因此,我们希望创建相同的质量水平并应用现有的质量控制和后续工具。
请为这个反馈感到高兴:我的团队同事上周从制作术语表条目的会议回来时非常高兴。当地翻译者不得不努力工作,让 POSS_head 围绕几个新概念。但最终 PRO 说了一些像“这太神奇了,我们学到了很多东西,现在事情更有意义了”的话。有趣的是(或可悲的是)这次工作会议是在正文章节已经翻译之后,所以所有术语和概念应该在此之前解释。似乎术语表工作正在变成我们整个团队的迷你圣经学校。
我猜测,如果我们看现有的结构而不是发明一个单独的系统,大多数用于更功能性术语表的工作已经完成。它可能简单到允许章节和经文是字母数字的而不是仅数字的(当然检查不需要的副作用)。我们愿意作为测试者提供帮助,因为这很重要。
感谢所有在这个帖子中的想法和处理,我会急切地关注。
A good glossary is the key to to understanding scripture for many first-time isolated readers.
Thank you all. I am delighted about this thread, fulll of “me too” concerns and already full of good input.
I had planned to write up some questions about how-to and possibly some feature requests, but this has happened a few days too early.
Dear all, these questions about structuring the glossary are indeed very important. Why?
Please consider all those not-public projects, who rarely have spokespeople in a forum. A typical modern reader might be from another religion. He or she might have found a scripture app on the Play Store and is reading for the first time ever, as an enquirer.
So we need a complete and user-friendly glossary:
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we need clickable links from the main-text to the most relevant glossary entry
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we need an option to refer from one glossary-entry to another, also by clickable links
PT8 has already great tools and solid structures, namely chapters, verses and cross-references. But the glossary is not properly using these and some other users have tried hacks with chapters and verses.
I myself have tried making chapters and got error messages: chapters can only have digits and numbers. Why? If you lift this limit (please), then we could use the most solid structure “chapter” and assign those to the letters of our alphabet. There is a great danger: If you allow this idea, then other users might call LUK chapter “5”, LUK chapter “five”. This would be very bad. I do not why, but probably bad, it might break the navigation tools. So there would arise a need for yet another checking tool about “illegal chapter numbers in all non-glossary books”.
Why do we need urgently to link between glossary entries:
Our grammar has got the class-markers for our nouns in word-initial position. So singular and plural of one entry are very far from another: S_priest is not next to P_priest.
We write our glossary so that each “word which needs explaining” the most typical rendering in the text is the key-term for our glossary. So for example “pharisees” is most often met by a reader in the plural, so our description is listed under “P_pharisee”. But some readers might manually go to “S_pharisee” and then we need a link. Because our class-system is so rich, that even a native speaker cannot tell from a singular, how the plural is being formed, there are several options. So far I am just writing a special arrow-symbol and the other glossary term I want to refer to, and the user has to navigate himself to find the main entry.
So chapters (for each letter or even combination of letters) would be very helpful. And each glossary entry could have the status of a verse. So that cross-referencing and linking becomes possible. Hacking PT8 never feels entirely safe. So I beg the developpers to consider this and officially make it happen.
Our glossary is getting big. A limit of 20 printed pages does not apply to our reading apps. We also need help to navigate our glossary for our normal work, just scrolling up and down is taking for ever. Another reason to use the existing structures of chapters and verses, because for those, we have stable navigation tools on top of each PT8 window, and some users know their keyboard-shortcuts too.
Another feature we need is a way to do the follow-up of the work on each glossary item. I think you call this project-progress. Please consider our way of working:
We do not sit down on certain days and say “let us make all the glossary entries for the letter K.” We rather translate the main text and after each chapter, while we still have our studies and notes readily available, we select all those words which caused problems for translation and/or for checking and reading with other people. And then we write those glossary entries. Since it is early days, we typically have five to ten entries per chapter of text, and it is slowly getting less, as we can more often say “we have done that one already”.
So glossary entries should have something like virtual batch-numbers or virtual-admin-chapters for the purpose of applying the project-progress and checking-tools. Since we do not write them in alphabetical order, and new entries constantly keep being added, there is nothing at the moment to keep track. If nothing comes up soon, I will need to create yet another private marker and invent a status-line, based on our proven “stages” and “tasks” from the project-progress tools, but applied to individual glossary-entries.
Glossary is not Scripture but is a very important key for any new reader which allows to access and understand the main text. You would be surprised, how many “basic” terms are unknown in our part of the world. So we want to create the same level of quality and apply the existing tools of quality-control and follow-up.
Please rejoice over this feedback: My team colleague came back very glad last-week from a session of crafting glossary-entries. The local translator had to work hard and get POSS_head around several new concepts. But in the end PRO said something like “this is so amazing, we are learning so much and things make even more sense now”. Funny enough (or sadly) this work session was after the chapter of main text was already translated, so all the terms and concepts should have been explained before. Seems the glossary-work is turning into a mini bible-school for our entire team.
I would guess that - if we look at the existing structures rather than inventing a separate system - most of the work for a more functional glossary is already done. It might be as simple as allowing chapters and verses to be alpha-numeric rather than numeric-only (and checking for unwanted side effects of course). We are willing to help as testers, because this is important.
Thank you for all the ideas and the processing in this thread, will watch this with eagerness.