这是今天发布在 FLEx 列表上的帖子。我有一些评论,将添加在这个引用问题下方:
2021 年 10 月 12 日,下午 3:29,jeffh [Email Removed] 写道:
有人能解释一下 Paratext 和 FLEx 之间的当前连接吗?我知道我可以将 FLEx 项目关联到 Paratext 项目,并查找单词,我相信我还可以添加未找到的单词。以前有一种方法可以将经文文本导入逐词对照(在 BTE 版本的 FLEx 中,据信该版本已不存在)。这仍然可行吗?感谢澄清。
你好,jeffh。
一方面,仍然可以将经文“导入”到文本区域。(我不认为这是导入;我更认为这是一种视图。但我可能是错的。)你使用的版本很重要。我认为“FLEx 8 与 Paratext 8 配合使用”以及“FLEx 9.x 与 Paratext 9.x 配合使用”。情况并不那么简单——使用 32 位还是 64 位版本也很重要。
然而,正如 PeterK 在 FLEx 列表上指出的那样,存在一些错误:
2021 年 10 月 12 日,下午 5:13,PeterK [Email Removed] 写道:
你好 jeffh,
除了词典查找功能外,当你使用逐词对照工具时,Paratext 还会将释义添加到你的词典中:每当你在 PT 逐词对照工具中为词素添加新释义时,它都会将其添加到你的 FLEx 数据库中。
原则上这是一个很棒的功能,但它存在缺陷,以至于当有关联的 FLEx 项目时,我不会向逐词对照工具添加单词。FLEx 经常将释义作为新义项添加到错误的同形异义词中。它不会请求确认。有时即使已经存在具有该义项的同形异义词,它也会添加新义项。最糟糕的是,Paratext 不留下任何痕迹,它不更新日期戳,因此你无法搜索在 Paratext 中工作时被更改的条目。
我已经将此问题提交给 Paratext 开发人员,并热切期待它被修复的那一天。
我认为你仍然可以(手动)将你的圣经翻译导入 FLEx 的文本区域并在那里进行逐词对照。我很久没做过了。
我认识的另一个人所在的团队中,其他人负责 Paratext 逐词对照,而他是想在 FLEx 中工作的那个人。他们发现 FLEx 也可以写入 Paratext,并且也会搞乱那边。但他找到了一个变通方法。
他的方法是:
- 通常 FLEx 和 Paratext 不关联。
- 当他想把最新的 Paratext 数据导入 FLEx 时,他会开启关联。
- 他在 FLEx 中完成工作。
- 然后,在执行 S/R 之前,他会关闭关联。
他的经验是,如果他 (a) 不使用 Paratext 逐词对照,并且 (b) 在两者关联期间不执行 S/R,那么他就可以避免搞乱他自己的 FLEx 数据库或团队中其他人的 Paratext 逐词对照工作。
我期待听到其他人的意见:
- 是否有人正在按现状使用此功能,并且如果更改其工作方式(即,使 FLEx 和 Paratext 不再相互写入对方的逐词对照数据库),他们会“丢失数据”。
- 有多少人想要使用此功能,但因为这个错误而避免使用它?
This was posted on the FLEx list today. I have a comment I will add below this quoted question:
On Oct 12, 2021, at 3:29 PM, jeffh [Email Removed] wrote:
Can anyone explain the current connection between Paratext andd FLEx? I know I can associate a FLEx project to a Paratext project, and look up words, and I believe I can add words that are not found. There used to be a way to import Scripture texts into the interlinear (in the BTE version of FLEx, which doesn’t exists anymore, I believe). Is that still possible? Thanks for clarifying.
Hi, jeffh.
On one hand, it is still possible to “import” Scripture into the Texts area. (I don’t think of it as an import; I think of it more as a view. But I may be wrong.) It does matter what versions you are using. I think “FLEx 8 works with Paratext 8” and “FLEx 9.x works with Paratext 9.x”. It is not quite that simple–it also matters if you are using 32-bit or 64-bit versions of both.
However, as PeterK noted on the FLEx list, there are bugs:
On Oct 12, 2021, at 5:13 PM, PeterK [Email Removed] wrote:
Hi jeffh,
Beside the dictionary look-up feature, Paratext will add glosses to your dictionary when you use the the interlinearizer: whenever you add a new gloss to a morpheme in the PT interlinearizer it will add add it to your FLEx database.
In principle this is a great feature, however, it is flawed, so much that I don’t add words to the interlinearizer when I have a FLEx project associated. FLEx will add glosses as a new sense often to the wrong homonym. It does not ask for confirmation. Sometimes it adds a new sense even if a homonym with that sense already exists. The worst part is that Paratext leaves no trace, it does not update the date stamp, so you can’t search for entries that have been changed while you were working in Paratext.
I have submitted this issue to the Paratext developers and am eagerly looking forward to the day it is fixed.
I think you can still (manually) import your Bible translation into the text area of FLEx and interlinearizer it there. Haven’t done it in a while.
Someone else I know is on a team where others do the Paratext interlinear, and he is the one who wants to work in FLEx. They found that FLEx can also write to Paratext, and mess that side up as well. But he found a workaround.
His approach is:
- Normally the FLEx and Paratext are not associated.
- When he wants to get the latest Paratext data into FLEx, he turns on the association.
- He does his work in FLEx.
- Then he turns off the association, before he does a S/R.
His experience is that if he (a) doesn’t use the Paratext interlinear and (b) doesn’t do a S/R while the two are associated, then he can get away without messing up either his own FLEx database or the Paratext interlinear work of the others on his team.
I am interested to hear from anyone else:
- Is anyone using this functionality as is, and you would “lose data” if they changed how it works (that is, make it so that FLEx and Paratext no longer write to each other’s interlinear databases).
- How many want to use this feature, but they are avoiding using it because of this bug?