這是今天發佈在 FLEx 清單上的內容。我有一個評論,將添加在這個引用的問題下方:
2021 年 10 月 12 日,下午 3:29,jeffh [Email Removed] 寫道:
有人能解釋一下 Paratext 和 FLEx 之間的目前連線嗎?我知道我可以將 FLEx 專案關聯到 Paratext 專案,並查詢單詞,我相信我也可以添加未找到的單詞。過去有一種方法可以將聖經文本導入逐字對譯(在 BTE 版本的 FLEx 中,據我所知該版本已不存在)。這仍然可能嗎?感謝澄清。
嗨,jeffh。
一方面,仍然可以將聖經「導入」到文本區域。(我不認為這是導入;我更認為這是一種檢視方式。但我可能錯了。)您使用的版本很重要。我認為「FLEx 8 與 Paratext 8 相容」以及「FLEx 9.x 與 Paratext 9.x 相容」。情況並非那麼簡單——使用 32 位元或 64 位元版本也很重要。
然而,正如 PeterK 在 FLEx 清單上指出的那樣,存在一些錯誤:
2021 年 10 月 12 日,下午 5:13,PeterK [Email Removed] 寫道:
嗨 jeffh,
除了字典查詢功能外,當您使用逐字對譯器時,Paratext 會將釋義添加到您的字典中:每當您在 PT 逐字對譯器中為詞素添加新的釋義時,它都會將其添加到您的 FLEx 資料庫中。
從原理上來說,這是一個很棒的功能,但它存在缺陷,嚴重到當我關聯了 FLEx 專案時,我不會在逐字對譯器中添加單詞。FLEx 經常將釋義作為新義項添加到錯誤的同形異義詞中。它不會請求確認。有時即使已經存在具有該義項的同形異義詞,它也會添加新義項。最糟糕的是,Paratext 不留下任何痕跡,它不會更新時間戳,因此您無法搜尋在 Paratext 中工作期間被修改的條目。
我已將此問題提交給 Paratext 開發人員,並熱切期待它被修復的那一天。
我想您仍然可以(手動)將您的聖經翻譯導入 FLEx 的文本區域並在那裡進行逐字對譯。我已經很久沒這樣做了。
我認識的另一個人所在的團隊中,其他人負責 Paratext 逐字對譯,而他是想在 FLEx 中工作的那個人。他們發現 FLEx 也可以寫入 Paratext,並同樣會搞亂那邊的內容。但他找到了一個變通方法。
他的方法是:
- 通常 FLEx 和 Paratext 不關聯。
- 當他想將最新的 Paratext 數據導入 FLEx 時,他會開啟關聯。
- 他在 FLEx 中進行工作。
- 然後,在執行 S/R(發送/接收)之前,他會關閉關聯。
他的經驗是,如果他 (a) 不使用 Paratext 逐字對譯,並且 (b) 在兩者關聯期間不執行 S/R,那麼他就可以避免搞亂他自己的 FLEx 資料庫或團隊中其他人的 Paratext 逐字對譯工作。
我期待聽到其他人的意見:
- 是否有人正在按原樣使用此功能,如果更改其工作方式(即,使 FLEx 和 Paratext 不再互相寫入對方的逐字對譯資料庫),他們會「丟失數據」嗎?
- 有多少人想要使用此功能,但因為這個錯誤而避免使用它?
This was posted on the FLEx list today. I have a comment I will add below this quoted question:
On Oct 12, 2021, at 3:29 PM, jeffh [Email Removed] wrote:
Can anyone explain the current connection between Paratext andd FLEx? I know I can associate a FLEx project to a Paratext project, and look up words, and I believe I can add words that are not found. There used to be a way to import Scripture texts into the interlinear (in the BTE version of FLEx, which doesn’t exists anymore, I believe). Is that still possible? Thanks for clarifying.
Hi, jeffh.
On one hand, it is still possible to “import” Scripture into the Texts area. (I don’t think of it as an import; I think of it more as a view. But I may be wrong.) It does matter what versions you are using. I think “FLEx 8 works with Paratext 8” and “FLEx 9.x works with Paratext 9.x”. It is not quite that simple–it also matters if you are using 32-bit or 64-bit versions of both.
However, as PeterK noted on the FLEx list, there are bugs:
On Oct 12, 2021, at 5:13 PM, PeterK [Email Removed] wrote:
Hi jeffh,
Beside the dictionary look-up feature, Paratext will add glosses to your dictionary when you use the the interlinearizer: whenever you add a new gloss to a morpheme in the PT interlinearizer it will add add it to your FLEx database.
In principle this is a great feature, however, it is flawed, so much that I don’t add words to the interlinearizer when I have a FLEx project associated. FLEx will add glosses as a new sense often to the wrong homonym. It does not ask for confirmation. Sometimes it adds a new sense even if a homonym with that sense already exists. The worst part is that Paratext leaves no trace, it does not update the date stamp, so you can’t search for entries that have been changed while you were working in Paratext.
I have submitted this issue to the Paratext developers and am eagerly looking forward to the day it is fixed.
I think you can still (manually) import your Bible translation into the text area of FLEx and interlinearizer it there. Haven’t done it in a while.
Someone else I know is on a team where others do the Paratext interlinear, and he is the one who wants to work in FLEx. They found that FLEx can also write to Paratext, and mess that side up as well. But he found a workaround.
His approach is:
- Normally the FLEx and Paratext are not associated.
- When he wants to get the latest Paratext data into FLEx, he turns on the association.
- He does his work in FLEx.
- Then he turns off the association, before he does a S/R.
His experience is that if he (a) doesn’t use the Paratext interlinear and (b) doesn’t do a S/R while the two are associated, then he can get away without messing up either his own FLEx database or the Paratext interlinear work of the others on his team.
I am interested to hear from anyone else:
- Is anyone using this functionality as is, and you would “lose data” if they changed how it works (that is, make it so that FLEx and Paratext no longer write to each other’s interlinear databases).
- How many want to use this feature, but they are avoiding using it because of this bug?