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In Paratext 6 we had a great Numbers, Weights, and Measures list. But that hasn't come through the later versions. Though Paratext 9 has a numbers list, but it is very short.
I am working on a Weights and Measures list, but I am sure there could be other terms added.
Who else is working on a similar list?

And how do we get the lists distributed with the software?
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Jenni and I reviewed the Paratext 6 Numbers.xml that was shared in the linked thread.  We used AI to compare it with the current version in Paratext 9 and it found 72 references for weights and measures which had been omitted.  We have now restored them in an updated Numbers.xml file, attached.

Numbers.xml

Numbers.xml (PT9) — Restoration Report

What I did

I compared PT6_Numbers.xml (105 terms, GUID-based IDs, UTF-16) against PT9_Numbers.xml (78 terms, semantic IDs like cardinal_012, UTF-8), matching terms by their actual verse references rather than by ID (the two files use completely different ID schemes, so IDs themselves gave no correspondence). PT6's verse references carry an extra two-digit suffix (06600601200); these normalize to PT9's 9-digit BBBCCCVVV format by dropping the last two digits — every PT6 reference used 00 there, so nothing was lost in that normalization.

Key finding: the cardinal/ordinal/fraction/multiple numbers were not damaged

Every one of PT6's 246 unique verse references for plain numbers (cardinals, ordinals, fractions, multiples) is still present in PT9 — zero losses. PT9 also added 4 new references in this group. This is the "improvement" you mentioned: PT6 had, for example, one single term lumping "ninth/tenth/eleventh/twelfth" together under a wrong label pointing at Revelation 21:20; PT9 correctly split these into distinct, accurately-labeled terms. I left this whole part of PT9 untouched.

Where the real data loss happened

PT6 had four entire categories that PT9 dropped completely: Money amounts (9 terms — lepton, quadrans, assarion, drachma, didrachma, denarius, mina, argurion, talanton), Weights and measures (8 terms — litra, talent, choinix, modios, saton, koros, batos, metretes), Distances (5 terms — pekus/cubit, stadion, milion, a Sabbath day's journey, orguia/fathom), and Time (24 terms — daily, hour, month, week, "on the third day," "in those days," etc.). That's 46 concepts and roughly 251 unique verse references that simply aren't checked anymore in PT9's Numbers.xml.

Of those 46:

  • 5 were already restored elsewhere in PT9, just relocated: PT9's ordinal_001_day (next day), ordinal_002_day (second day), ordinal_003_day (third day), ordinal_007_day (seventh day), and ordinal_008_day (eighth day) are exact matches — same references, same meaning. I did not duplicate these.

  • 2 were deliberately left out: PT6's "Time thirty-eight" and "Time forty-six" terms each mixed unrelated numbers under one mislabeled gloss (e.g. "Time thirty-eight" pointed at both a 38-year reference in John 5:5 and several unrelated 40-year references in Acts/Hebrews). PT9 already fixed this correctly — every one of those references now sits under an accurately-labeled cardinal term (cardinal_038, cardinal_040, cardinal_046, etc.). Restoring these PT6 terms verbatim would have reintroduced the bug, so I left them out.

  • The remaining 39 were genuinely missing and are what I've added back to the new file.

What's in the new Numbers.xml

117 terms total: all 78 of PT9's original terms, completely unchanged, plus 39 restored terms covering the four lost categories, written in PT9's own style:

  • Semantic snake_case IDs continuing PT9's pattern: money_001_lepton … money_009_talanton, weight_001_litra … weight_008_metretes, distance_001_pekus … distance_005_orguia, time_001_daily … time_017_time_times_half.

  • A <Domain> tag on each (PT9 only uses this for its time-related ordinals, tagging them time; I extended the same idea with money, weightsAndMeasures, and distance for the other three categories — see caveat below).

  • <Transliteration> set to match the ID, exactly like every existing PT9 entry does.

  • A short <Gloss> that keeps the substantive definition from PT6 (e.g. batos (Hebrew bat, a liquid measure, ~39.5 litres)) instead of PT6's verbose "Weights and measures in the New Testament - 7. ..." framing.

  • The complete original PT6 reference list for each restored term.

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This thread contains the original list as a Biblical Terms custom list (which may be helpful): https://support.bible/15292/weights-numbers-and-measures-check?show=15292#q15292

However, the list was removed from Paratext because it was not peer reviewed and it was (maybe) based on a specific translation. So use the file linked in that thread at your own risk.
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